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yesterday in iowa, at a very small crowd, joe biden had 900 in colorado. even cnn was reporting that the crowds were much smaller this year. >> but, tom, you're focused on the closing arguments. >> they are negative, about keeping the other guy out. it's not about enthusiasm with all due respect, mr. mayor, for the candidates on either side. there's great fear in the republican party that obama will get four more years. there's not a passion al love affair with mitt romney. there's been a lot of disappointment in your party with the president of the united states. on the other hand, there's greater fear that mitt romney is going to get into office. so more than any other time that i've been doing all of this, i have seen in the closing days fear take over. and more negative campaigning. it's not about me, it's about keeping the other guy out. i think that's what's going on here. >> savannah, we think about the question, why is it that incumbents lose? you go back to the first president bush. he had a problem with his base. no new taxes. he breaks that pled
yesterday in iowa, at a very small crowd, joe biden had 900 in colorado. even cnn was reporting that the crowds were much smaller this year. >> but, tom, you're focused on the closing arguments. >> they are negative, about keeping the other guy out. it's not about enthusiasm with all due respect, mr. mayor, for the candidates on either side. there's great fear in the republican party that obama will get four more years. there's not a passion al love affair with mitt romney. there's...
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. >> why bill clinton and not joe biden? >> that's a good question. boud bide was supposed to come to scranton. the storm sidelined that. and so, biden would have done some of the same. but pennsylvanians love bill clinton. they have always loved him. they love his wife. he is the closer. he's the one it send in for the final argument. >> it lg will be interesting. thank you, kol bee. >> thank you. >> martha: nice to have kol bee on the program with great insights in pennsylvania and a lot of other important -- >> it's good to get the local look at the issues. >> martha: we will be continuing that the next couple of day, to give you a complete picture of the election. in the meantime, we want to turn to this story. it's been 33 years since the oran hostage crisis began. coming up, one of the americans held captive more than a year, he will join us. he worked at the consulate. his thoughts on where we stand with iran now and his thoughts on the terror attack in benghazi. closing arguments are underway. the final messages from president obama and govern
. >> why bill clinton and not joe biden? >> that's a good question. boud bide was supposed to come to scranton. the storm sidelined that. and so, biden would have done some of the same. but pennsylvanians love bill clinton. they have always loved him. they love his wife. he is the closer. he's the one it send in for the final argument. >> it lg will be interesting. thank you, kol bee. >> thank you. >> martha: nice to have kol bee on the program with great insights...
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biden. >> i am joe biden. i am jealous husbands. husbands. i am delighted to be here. mr. mayor, thank you for the passport and your city. jill does teach full-time as well as the second lady. the worst thing you can do to a principle or a teacher is to say there is an offense at school on sunday. -- an event at school on sunday. thank you for making this gymnasium available. i love sherrod brown. that is the guy i love and. . how about jason mraz? i know why you guys are here. since you arrived on time even though last night was the end of daylight savings time, i assume to figure it out. this is mitt romney's time of the year got his favorite day. he officially get to turn back the clock. that is what he does. he does it officially. he tries to do it every other way but this time he actually gets to turn back the clock. over the last week or so since hurricane sandy incentive affected parts of cleveland as well, i went to a church this morning. hed they told us the pastor th talked about the damage done. i t
biden. >> i am joe biden. i am jealous husbands. husbands. i am delighted to be here. mr. mayor, thank you for the passport and your city. jill does teach full-time as well as the second lady. the worst thing you can do to a principle or a teacher is to say there is an offense at school on sunday. -- an event at school on sunday. thank you for making this gymnasium available. i love sherrod brown. that is the guy i love and. . how about jason mraz? i know why you guys are here. since you...
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to paraphrase a vice president joe biden sentiment, it was a big deal. john mccain had this to say about the outcome. >> a century ago, president three dore roosevelt's invitation of booker t washington to dine at the white house was taken as an outrage in many corridors. america today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time. there is no better evidence of this than the election of an african-american to the presidency of the united states. >> senator mccain was right. that at no other time in american history could this moment have been possible. and even as the opponent, he was a bit swept up in that moment. remember the front page of the new york times after the election, obama, racial barrier falls in decisive victory. the victory was decisive, but the barrier had not fallen. then senator obama was simply hoisted over it, propelled by decades of civil rights demonstrations. hard won legislative victories, educational opportunities and shifting racial boundaries. but senator mccain, "the new york times" and frankly many pundit
to paraphrase a vice president joe biden sentiment, it was a big deal. john mccain had this to say about the outcome. >> a century ago, president three dore roosevelt's invitation of booker t washington to dine at the white house was taken as an outrage in many corridors. america today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time. there is no better evidence of this than the election of an african-american to the presidency of the united states. >> senator mccain...
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. >> joe biden was correct in saying they didn't know about earlier requests for tighter security in libya seems those requests go to the state department. martha? >> steve, thank you very much. >> is that an investigation? it is getting underway november 15th from the administration. so that is not going away. john mccain is making sure of that. >> we keep finding more and more questions almost every day we cover the story. >> we will ex policemamine what questions they need to be asked. they are coming up next hour on that. >> look forward to that. in the meantime we have fallout on the campaign trail after the president tells supporters voting is the best revenge. governor romney responded with this. >> yesterday president obama asked his supporters to vote for revenge. (booing) >> for revenge. instead, i ask the american people to vote for love of country. (cheers) >> what do you think about that? send me a tweet at martha maccallum. what was underlying in all of this in terms of the big message. >> we will get thouo that. i spent time traveling with john boehner. what he expects
. >> joe biden was correct in saying they didn't know about earlier requests for tighter security in libya seems those requests go to the state department. martha? >> steve, thank you very much. >> is that an investigation? it is getting underway november 15th from the administration. so that is not going away. john mccain is making sure of that. >> we keep finding more and more questions almost every day we cover the story. >> we will ex policemamine what...
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joe biden. jjhn: i was surprised rutherford hayes one by one vote to elect corley and bush/gourde it was five. it could happen. >> it is of close election and remember we have a fragile system the government today and struggling to earn the legitimacy the way the election process is playing out is on helping. john: coming up i show how big government program allowed me to get you to pay for my beach house. for my beach house. what a scam. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! i'm gonna stand up to her! no you're not. i know. you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than a witch in a broom factory. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. john: now a disaster and election myth. the destruction produced by hurricane sandy men not be bad for the economy. >> sometimes they're not harmful because there is extract work with three construction and rehabilitat
joe biden. jjhn: i was surprised rutherford hayes one by one vote to elect corley and bush/gourde it was five. it could happen. >> it is of close election and remember we have a fragile system the government today and struggling to earn the legitimacy the way the election process is playing out is on helping. john: coming up i show how big government program allowed me to get you to pay for my beach house. for my beach house. what a scam. wooohooo....hahaahahaha! oh...there you go....
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than vice president joe biden and his wife jill campaign in ohio and later, tagg and ann romney are with governor bob mcdonnell in sterling, virginia. next on "washington journal," we will talk to a republican and democratic strategist. that is followed by a look at the economy in the swing states. then we will discuss the role
than vice president joe biden and his wife jill campaign in ohio and later, tagg and ann romney are with governor bob mcdonnell in sterling, virginia. next on "washington journal," we will talk to a republican and democratic strategist. that is followed by a look at the economy in the swing states. then we will discuss the role
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. >> repter: this is the last scheduled stop, but vice president joe biden comes to sterling on monday and mitt romney spends sunday and monday in the commonwealth with a rally in fairfax on monday. news 4 today. >>> long lines in d.c. as voters lined up for their last chance to cast an early ballot. last day for in-person absentee ballot. administrators not worried about long lines on election day as many polling places will be open. we'll have complete coverage up to tuesday and all of the results. stay up to date on our website, nbcwashington.com. >>> now to sandy's impact. this morning, signs of progress in areas hardest hit by the storm. help starting to arrive and lights back on in manhattan, but thousands in new york's other boroughs are still waiting. michael bloomberg criticized companies for not restoring power to places like brooklyn and queens. other lawmakers are urging people to be patient. we'll spend as much time, effort, and energy to make sure all of the people in new york and new jersey and connecticut know that the entire country is behind them. >> we have a long ro
. >> repter: this is the last scheduled stop, but vice president joe biden comes to sterling on monday and mitt romney spends sunday and monday in the commonwealth with a rally in fairfax on monday. news 4 today. >>> long lines in d.c. as voters lined up for their last chance to cast an early ballot. last day for in-person absentee ballot. administrators not worried about long lines on election day as many polling places will be open. we'll have complete coverage up to tuesday...
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. >> joe biden said in 2007 coal is more dangerous than high fructose corn syrup and terrorists. as you mentioned the president said from the outset he was going to bankrupt those companies trying to start up coal power plants. that's the sows of our energy there. we have enough coal in america particularly in the ohio valley to fuel america's energy needs for generations. there's a place for coal in america's energy future. i am confident that mitt romney and paul ryan know that and we will see a turnaround after tuesday. >> here's a stat that surprises me having lived in cincinnati and cleveland myself. i did not know this coal provide almost 90 percent of ohio's power and almost 50 percent of america's power. i guess we need it. >> absolutely. it is absolutely unimaginable that the administration would attack the very source of our nation's energy that has fuelled our innovative engines for generations now. i mean what are the people in ohio supposed to do like you said, gretch en, with 87 percent of our income, to 90 percent is from coal. >> new federal rules put in place wit
. >> joe biden said in 2007 coal is more dangerous than high fructose corn syrup and terrorists. as you mentioned the president said from the outset he was going to bankrupt those companies trying to start up coal power plants. that's the sows of our energy there. we have enough coal in america particularly in the ohio valley to fuel america's energy needs for generations. there's a place for coal in america's energy future. i am confident that mitt romney and paul ryan know that and we...
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the president and vice-president joe biden told us that osama bin laden is alive and gm is alive. maybe they real theme is alive. al-qaida slive. and a u.s. ambassador is dead. this narrative that al-qaida has been despated is obviously a little premature for the president to announce. it is evident that al-qaida was attack the in benghazi, lib yampt we know it was not just one person . we salute the president for calling the order to get rid of osama bin laden. and we give him credit for that. but the idea that somehow we no longer have an issue with islamic jihadism is naive . they will be alive as long as someone can carry the torch and there are many to do it. earlier this week the president took time out to address how the government is guessing to address the devination of hurricane sandy. >> we'll not tolerate red tape or bureaucracy. we go through tough times and we bounce back. the reason we bounce back is because we look out for one another and don't leave anybody behind. >> that's the way it is supposed to be. you might have hard time convincing folks in staten island a
the president and vice-president joe biden told us that osama bin laden is alive and gm is alive. maybe they real theme is alive. al-qaida slive. and a u.s. ambassador is dead. this narrative that al-qaida has been despated is obviously a little premature for the president to announce. it is evident that al-qaida was attack the in benghazi, lib yampt we know it was not just one person . we salute the president for calling the order to get rid of osama bin laden. and we give him credit for that....
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joe biden. jjhn: i was surprised rutherford hayes one by one vote to elect corley and bush/gourde it was five. it could happen. >> it is of close election and remember we have a fragile system the government today and struggling to earn the legitimacy the way the election process is playing out is on helping. john: coming upi show how big government program allowed me to get you to pay for my beach house. what a scam. john: now a disaster and election myth. the destruction produced by hurricane sandy men not be bad for the economy. >> somemes they're not harmful because there is extract work with three construction and rehabilitation. >> one analyst says there could be long term benefits of reconstructions. john: we hear that before paul krugman claims 9/11 would be good for the economy. after the earthquake in haiti and to oppose the said this could be a boom economy for haiti. john: and appealing concept for the simple-minded. i want to help so i have an idea. i will do this. i will create job
joe biden. jjhn: i was surprised rutherford hayes one by one vote to elect corley and bush/gourde it was five. it could happen. >> it is of close election and remember we have a fragile system the government today and struggling to earn the legitimacy the way the election process is playing out is on helping. john: coming upi show how big government program allowed me to get you to pay for my beach house. what a scam. john: now a disaster and election myth. the destruction produced by...
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vice president joe biden hit it a bit closer to the mark when he joked about romney's favorite time of year out in colorado. >> folks, i want to remind you, this is the end of daylight savings time tonight. it's mitt romney's favorite time of the year because he gets to turn the clock back. >> yes, for mitt romney it's the closing hours of his six- or seven- or eight-year bid for the white house. it is a palpable feeling on the romney campaign plane that is end the near. indeed, that was evident today in colorado springs with mr. and mrs. romney showing evident wear and tear, even getting a bit misty-eyed from the long flight. >> it has been quite a journey. it's coming to a close. we have three more days. >> it's no wonder emotions are running so high, particularly with new polls out today showing romney down six in critical ohio. down two in his absolute must win florida. six, seven, eight years of campaigning and it's come down to this. romney still combing through the president's speeches trying to find anything that he might tether his message to, this time a line best served cold
vice president joe biden hit it a bit closer to the mark when he joked about romney's favorite time of year out in colorado. >> folks, i want to remind you, this is the end of daylight savings time tonight. it's mitt romney's favorite time of the year because he gets to turn the clock back. >> yes, for mitt romney it's the closing hours of his six- or seven- or eight-year bid for the white house. it is a palpable feeling on the romney campaign plane that is end the near. indeed,...
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biden and other good democrats of talking about how bad the economy already was median family income was lower than that was the data left office. poverty was up. all of these things were true before the crash. because of the policy he now advocates. then came the crash six weeks before the election. he took office when the economy was losing a hundred thousand jobs a month now, the economy lost jobs for about 15 months. when it started again, when president obama's jobs programs of the kicking and in said the three months, we have had 5.8 million jobs as of yesterday. when somebody criticizes an office holder, you have a right to ask them, compared to what? let's look at the most recent comparisons. if you do not count the losses in the crash of president bush and look at the seven years after the birth slowdown we have had when the dot com stocks across the bet. just the seven-year period. there were 2.6 million private- sector jobs twice as many jobs, 5.8 million. barack obama has done a good job. [cheers and applause] the third reason you're sorry for him as he has felt as respon
biden and other good democrats of talking about how bad the economy already was median family income was lower than that was the data left office. poverty was up. all of these things were true before the crash. because of the policy he now advocates. then came the crash six weeks before the election. he took office when the economy was losing a hundred thousand jobs a month now, the economy lost jobs for about 15 months. when it started again, when president obama's jobs programs of the kicking...
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no rest for the vice presidential candidates, just days before the big election, vice president joe biden spending the day in the battle ground state of colorado slamming the republican ticket in front of a crowd of supporters. >> we saw those debates. some of those debates you begin to wonder, governor romney and congressman ryan seemed to be running as fast away from their positions as they can. it's like watching a guy, little kid trying to outrun his shadow, man. it keeps catching up saying whoa, it's still there! shadow doesn't go away until the sun goes down. it's going down tuesday night. >> heather: meantime, republican vice presidential nominee paul ryan is on a sprint hitting rallies in four states today, starting in marietta, ohio, that's where he reminded supporters how close america is to decision day. >> washington is really broken and we can not afford four more years of this. we don't have to settle for this. three more days. that's all we need. three more days. [ cheers and applause ] three more days. that's it. that's it. >> heather: congressman ryan also made stops in p
no rest for the vice presidential candidates, just days before the big election, vice president joe biden spending the day in the battle ground state of colorado slamming the republican ticket in front of a crowd of supporters. >> we saw those debates. some of those debates you begin to wonder, governor romney and congressman ryan seemed to be running as fast away from their positions as they can. it's like watching a guy, little kid trying to outrun his shadow, man. it keeps catching up...
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vice president joe biden has two events in colorado, one outside denver, the other in pueblo. the candidates are also taking the fight to the printed page today with duelling op-eds in the "wall street journal." meanwhile back in d.c. this morning president obama at fema headquarters where he met with officials and talked about disaster relief in the wake of hurricane sandy. >> our hearts continue to go out to those families who have been affected and have lost loved ones. that's obviously heartbreaking. but i'm confident that we can continue to make progress as long as state, local and federal officials -- >> so, one critical thing. one critical thing to watch in this very busy final homestretch here, the closing arguments that the candidates are making, the single big picture message is that they are hoping voters take to heart come tuesday. here to talk about that and a whole lot more bill schneider resident scholar at the washington think tank and our political reporter from "the washington post." good afternoon to both of you. bill, let's start with you. msnbc's first rea
vice president joe biden has two events in colorado, one outside denver, the other in pueblo. the candidates are also taking the fight to the printed page today with duelling op-eds in the "wall street journal." meanwhile back in d.c. this morning president obama at fema headquarters where he met with officials and talked about disaster relief in the wake of hurricane sandy. >> our hearts continue to go out to those families who have been affected and have lost loved ones....
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paul ryan, joe biden both of them hanging out in pennsylvania campaigning. a state that save for sandy and things that have happened with that perhaps relative to it it was considered a blue state. do you think the obama campaign's worried? >> no, i don't. this is one of these examples of what i would call a head fake a little bit. i think the romney campaign is trying to spend a little time and money in there to see if they can shake anything loose. i don't think are going to be able to. i've talked with people in pennsylvania. the biggest problem that mitt romney has in pennsylvania particularly the western start of the state, those bain ads were devastating. that is a part of the state, those are blue-collar workers. when they hear about companies being shut down, jobs being shipped overseas, these corporate raiders, that really had a huge impact there. and that's the kind of thing you just -- you can't undo with a couple of days or so of big advertising. >> okay. quick, tony. >> just real quick. i'm from pennsylvania. there is no early voting in pennsylv
paul ryan, joe biden both of them hanging out in pennsylvania campaigning. a state that save for sandy and things that have happened with that perhaps relative to it it was considered a blue state. do you think the obama campaign's worried? >> no, i don't. this is one of these examples of what i would call a head fake a little bit. i think the romney campaign is trying to spend a little time and money in there to see if they can shake anything loose. i don't think are going to be able to....
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and joe biden said that the middle class has been buried. and certainly here in ohio, we've seen where average income is going down. you have a great governor here in ohio. 30,000 people last night at the ohio rally, with the governor and senator portman, and they are doing all these policies to turn around the economy. they need a partner in washington with mitt romney wh who is going to work with your governor, work with your senator to do the things that will get more jobs for ohio. get this economy turned around and get those people back to work instead of having a trillion-dollar welfare economy that nobody is happy with. >> let's talk about your home state of virginia, coveted prize certainly for both candidates. what makes the romney campaign think that they can capture virginia at this point? >> well, we are leading in virginia with independents, just like we're leading in ohio and everywhere, and in virginia, we're very concerned about, first of all, the president's tax increases are going to hit our economy, just like they're going
and joe biden said that the middle class has been buried. and certainly here in ohio, we've seen where average income is going down. you have a great governor here in ohio. 30,000 people last night at the ohio rally, with the governor and senator portman, and they are doing all these policies to turn around the economy. they need a partner in washington with mitt romney wh who is going to work with your governor, work with your senator to do the things that will get more jobs for ohio. get this...
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among chris' guests, vice president joe biden. for our one-minute playback we go way back. here's kenneth banghart setting up coverage from studio 8-h in 1952. >> set to bring you the most complete election coverage ever devised. nbc has brought you this great election headquarters, political observers and others wait near nbc cameras across the land to report and interpret the rush of returns flooding from the polling places. our experts will be aided by amazing new machines, scientific brains rallied by nbc till vision to bring you the most accurate picture with split-second timing. here we are, the first sweep of the camera. we're coming around now first to our main interview desk. there you'll see our anchorman bill henry, we'll be back to bill henry in just a moment. next to him is the presidential desk where john cameron swayze will report on the presidential vote as he did a moment ago. notice the map of the united states, designed to report the number of elector cal college votes for each state. a quick visual check on the race for you. >> that right there, if you'r
among chris' guests, vice president joe biden. for our one-minute playback we go way back. here's kenneth banghart setting up coverage from studio 8-h in 1952. >> set to bring you the most complete election coverage ever devised. nbc has brought you this great election headquarters, political observers and others wait near nbc cameras across the land to report and interpret the rush of returns flooding from the polling places. our experts will be aided by amazing new machines, scientific...
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jill biden and joe biden will make stops for president obama, not to mention all the money being spent on a last-minute blitz. the latest poll out of pennsylvania shows a tight race. three points within the margin of error, but can romney win it. john mccain made a final push like this on the sunday before the election in 2008 and he lost. the same plan and same result for george w. bush in 2004 and bob dole in 1996. >>> let's check out florida and that's where we find, long, long lines. some people waited in line as long as five hours to cast their early vote. today is the last day for early voting. we'll take you live to florida next hour. how close is the race there? take a look. this poll shows president obama with a slim slelead, 49-47. >>> both campaigns are finding some talking points to drive home their closing arguments. here it is. unemployment ticked up to 7.9% while the economy added 171,000 jobs in october. that's more than most expected. earlier, i spoke with bill gross who runs the world's biggest mutual fund pinco if these numbers are enough to move voters and the marke
jill biden and joe biden will make stops for president obama, not to mention all the money being spent on a last-minute blitz. the latest poll out of pennsylvania shows a tight race. three points within the margin of error, but can romney win it. john mccain made a final push like this on the sunday before the election in 2008 and he lost. the same plan and same result for george w. bush in 2004 and bob dole in 1996. >>> let's check out florida and that's where we find, long, long...
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add this to the list of joe biden's greatest gaffes. here is the vice president at a rally in wisconsin. >> there has never been a day in the last four years i have been proud to be his vice president. not one single day. >> steve: oops? >> gretchen: huh? never been a proud to you have been proud to be the vice president? i don't think he meant that the vice president obviously unasquare -- unaware that he gerald his words. >> brian: here is a clue is he in trouble when he is looking straight ahead. prompter is here and joe biden looking straight ahead everybody and his staff sweating. >> gretchen: somebody fabulous off prompter is governor mike huckabee who joins us live this morning from columbus, ohio. >> gretchen: i missed you in those debates this year because you always had the great quip. >> thank you very much, gretchen. i want to say to brian and all of his neighbors my heart goes out to you guys. it just devastating. to see this destruction, you know, i don't think people can fully comprehend and god bless you for hanging in t
add this to the list of joe biden's greatest gaffes. here is the vice president at a rally in wisconsin. >> there has never been a day in the last four years i have been proud to be his vice president. not one single day. >> steve: oops? >> gretchen: huh? never been a proud to you have been proud to be the vice president? i don't think he meant that the vice president obviously unasquare -- unaware that he gerald his words. >> brian: here is a clue is he in trouble when...
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biden combined. faking compassion? i'm sorry are but the man who truly fakes compassion is the one that you are supporting in this race. president barack obama went to bed on september 11th this year without convening his national security team even as americans were being massacred in benghazi. president obama got up the morning on september 12 and went to vegas instead of focusing on a terrorist attack that killed the u.s. ambassador and three other americans including two navy seals. it was president barack obama he was the one who met with the families of victims on september 14 and despite the fact that we now know he knew this was an act of terror he continued to blame about a video both before and after the somber home coming that you are seeing on your screen. apparently not fell the truth and worrying about an election while americans is are suffering barack obama's ideas of real compassion. unfortunately for residents tonight in new jersey, new york, connecticut and elsewhere, well, you don
biden combined. faking compassion? i'm sorry are but the man who truly fakes compassion is the one that you are supporting in this race. president barack obama went to bed on september 11th this year without convening his national security team even as americans were being massacred in benghazi. president obama got up the morning on september 12 and went to vegas instead of focusing on a terrorist attack that killed the u.s. ambassador and three other americans including two navy seals. it was...
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. >> joe biden responded to romney this way today. >> called it territorial tax. it's the bain way. it means if you're going to build a factory you go find -- this is the fact. you go find a country with the lowest tax rate and the cheapest wages. build it there, pay those taxes and you never have to pay a penny in tax in the profit you make when you bring them back home. why would anybody build -- why would anybody build a factory here? ladies and gentlemen, the experts point out, that new territorial tax will create 800,000 jobs. all of them abroad. i'm not making up, all of them abroad. 800,000. i found it fascinating at their convention when governor romney said the first thing i will do when i'm elected president, i will take a jobs tour. it's going to have to be a foreign trip. >> joining me now ezra klein and eugene robinson. it was a strong week for the conspiracy theorists about the unemployment numbers. first the theory was that the president would use hurricane sandy and its effects possibly on washington, d.c. as an excuse for delaying the jobs report until after the ele
. >> joe biden responded to romney this way today. >> called it territorial tax. it's the bain way. it means if you're going to build a factory you go find -- this is the fact. you go find a country with the lowest tax rate and the cheapest wages. build it there, pay those taxes and you never have to pay a penny in tax in the profit you make when you bring them back home. why would anybody build -- why would anybody build a factory here? ladies and gentlemen, the experts point out,...